My New Planned Builds

There was only ONE instance where those heat spreaders actually saved my equipment.

I was just minding my own business and enjoying my Sims 3 game, when I looked over on my secondary monitor and noticed my GPU temps were climbing and fast.

But by the time I reacted, they started to fall, so I thought oh no big deal maybe I moved the camera too fast or something.

Then something unusual happened, my CPU activity flat lined, and the GPU temp spiked again, Windows killed my game and ejected me to desktop, my computer rebooted and then BAM RAM module temp errors. Ok, fine I'll turn it off let it cool.

It wasnt the ram. my GPU fan failed... and all my other temps were good.

I went back to the system event log, and it was crammed FULL of thermal diode errors.

But to this day I'm not sure why my CPU flat lined...
 
I would not use a 360 to stream things(mainly music) because it is super slow!

Are you doing a micro-ATX build for the streamer? You could do something cool like the super nintendo Bruce did!

As for overheating ram... I have clocked mine up well past stability and never had temp issues... Then again that didn't stop me from buying fans for them... I bought it just because it looked really cool :lol:

Here is a picture from when I got it: http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa435/LaxerTech/P1000004.jpg
 
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I would not use a 360 to stream things(mainly music) because it is super slow!

Are you doing a micro-ATX build for the streamer? You could do something cool like the super nintendo Bruce did!

I sold it... :sad:

@Anthony N

So... You no longer wishtobeanaussie?
 
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Well, Anthony... Nice to meet you... If you havn't figured it out yet, I'm Bruce. (*offers hand*)
 
Ok, I'm done messing around with the costs. They're moving around too much. I'll just post as I go.

With my new job I'll have one of my new computers in due time.
 
[on soapbox]

Sorry for coming in late here, but it is important to note that according both the Intel CPU Warranty and the AMD CPU Warranty for their retail, "boxed" CPUs that come with a supplied cooling solution, the use of any aftermarket cooler besides the one supplied with the CPU voids the 3 year warranty. In fact, AMD makes it crystal clear,
AMD Warranty said:
"This Limited Warranty shall be null and void if the AMD microprocessor which is the subject of this Limited Warranty is used with any heatsink/fan other than the one provided herewith."

Of course, this may not be a concern to many enthusiasts, but it is something every builder should be aware of.

The good news is, because the OEM coolers are warrantied for 3 years (most aftermarket coolers are for just 1 years - somet just 90 days) they are excellent coolers fully capable of adequately cooling the CPUs, even under moderate overclocking, for the life of the CPU.

This assumes, of course, the case is also doing its job of providing sufficient cool air flow through the case (something the user/builder must ensure). It is the case's responsibility to provide adequate cooling flow throughout the case. The CPU cooler must only toss the CPU's heat up into that flow. Unless extreme overclocking, the OEM coolers are fine, because again, the case has the job of extracting the heat.

Both AMD and Intel provide less costly "OEM" versions of many of their CPUs packaged without supplied coolers - with the intent the builder will supply his or her own. But note too, those CPUs are warrantied for only 1 year.

Please don't come back at me on this. I am just the messenger. This information is clearly printed in the warranty booklet that comes with our CPUs and as noted, on-line. And certainly, if warranty support is not a concern, then this is not an issue. But note attempting to seek a free warranty replacement without informing AMD or Intel you violated the terms of the warranty by not using the CPU in accordance with the installation/usage instructions is "fraud" by deceit - a serious criminal offense - even if it is easy to get away with it.

My advice is to use the OEM coolers and save your CPU warranties and some cash. If temps are too high, look at case cooling first, before aftermarket coolers. Note, having the coolest temperature is just for bragging rights. A CPU does not operate better just because it is cooler as long as it is operating within it's specified "normal operating environment". I don't begin to get nervous until CPU temps touch and stay above 60°C. Even then, there is quite a bit of headroom left before system stability issues begin to surface.

I don't do extreme overclocking anymore - I just prefer to buy a bigger CPU. But I do build HTPCs - PCs used in expensive home theater environments where fan noise of any kind is unacceptable. Many clients want "silent running" HTPCs - with totally passive (no fans, no noise) cooling. While Intel and AMD coolers are much quieter (and better cooling, much more reliable) than OEM coolers of 7 - 10 years ago, the OEM coolers can still generate some noise (though not a much as many GPU fans). So in those cases, I will use an aftermarket cooler - designed for quiet or silent operation. But note here too the case plays a major role in suppressing noise. A quality made, heavy steel Antec case, for example, will suppress noise much better than an excellent, quality made, lightweight aluminum case, for example.

OEM coolers are NOT the same as OEM coolers of yesteryear. They are excellent coolers and pretty quiet. And ONLY OEM cooler warranties cover damage to the CPU too, in the (admittedly very rare) event a failed cooler takes out the CPU.

About cases - I'm 60. Crawling under my desk to tear down my systems to lug outside to blast out all the heat trapping dust is not something I enjoy doing - especially with 8 computers in the house. So I will NEVER buy a PC case again that does not come with removable, washable air filters. With grandkids and dogs running in and out stirring up dust to be sucked into the cases, the filters mean tearing down and lugging outside once a year instead of every few months (at least for the busier computers). I like the Antec Three Hundred. It is reasonably priced, very well built, sturdy, "true" (exactly 90° bends), lots of large (120mm or larger) fan support, not flashy, plus it has removable, washable air filters.

While still on my soapbox, I don't like fancy lights or pretty facades. Pretty facades fade out of fashion and flashy lights do nothing for performance, consume some power, add some heat and do nothing for performance (worth repeating). I like my cases to sit quietly, and discreetly off to the side and not draw attention to themselves. After all, I tend to pay attention to what's on my monitors, and not the case. That said, if lights are still desired, the Antec Nine Hundred Two V3, with massive cooling support is excellent. And note the Big Boy 200mm blowhole (top) fan, even when running full speed, is almost silent (note there is a lessor Nine Hundred without filters).

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Thanks for your input digerati.

Warranty voiding doesn't scare me. Preference is everything to people and I prefer people to walk into my office and go "wow" when they walk in. I'm also not a man of darkness. That said I don't mind all the l all the lights.

My original build for my main computer was so far advanced that I about pushed every limit of the motherboard.

Cost shot that idea down. Oh well. But I don't mind the lights, and with a 80% or higher efficient computer. I'm happy. Besides I'm not over 1 kilowatt an hour between both machines.

I'll hardly ever peak both machines.

Also I'm obsessive about hard drive activity LEDs, no idea why but I am.
 
Warranty voiding doesn't scare me.
For sure, putting fear in anyone was not my intent. I only want (1) users to have all the information needed to make informed decisions. And (2) they don't attempt to commit fraud (knowingly or unknowingly).

Preference is everything to people and I prefer people to walk into my office and go "wow" when they walk in. That said I don't mind all the l all the lights.
I do too. But I prefer to do that with what's on the monitors (I cannot live with just one monitor), but as you note - that is a preference thing.

Also I'm obsessive about hard drive activity LEDs, no idea why but I am.
Well, HD activity LEDs are not the same as flashy case lighting that does nothing. That said, since Windows often gets busy when you (the user) go idle, I don't pay much attention to drive activity any more, unless my computer seems hung up.
 
I'm not sure if I'm going triple monitor on my main computer or just dual. I'm sure I could find a use for the 3rd one granted my GPU I picked can support it.

But yeah these builds are no small feat by any means, even tho they seem simple to seasoned technicians.

As for the HD activity leds, its more of a response time thing, IE: User clicks object, HDD responds with dim stream or bright sudden flashes.

"I don't get distra.... Oooooooo bright flashy lights" :roll eyes (sarcasti:thud:
 
Well, it looks like Corsair has gone the way of the dodo bird. Even tho it's highest rated PSU on newegg, a good set of reviews say the lifetime is bad. I've never had issues with corsair....

And to think I trusted that company.

Any suggestions?
 
Even tho it's highest rated PSU on newegg, a good set of reviews say the lifetime is bad.
I am reminded of the Honda repairman who, after being swamped by broken Hondas all day, begins to believe Hondas, one of the biggest, most reliable brands on the road, are junk. Just not true.

That said, like Antec's, also a favorite, they have more than one line of PSUs and would encourage staying away from the entry-level line.

Note that until Man can create perfection 100% of the time, there will always be premature failures - even Rolls Royce has had recalls.
 
Man will never reach perfection...

Especially in technology... The laws of thermodynamics can be applied, although we can get near perfect we will always lose some energy, something every time we do an action...

Corsairs higher lines are great and known for stability, I have never dealt with their customer service so can't say anything about it... The only company that I can say truly has great return policies is leatherman...

They claim to have a 20 year warranty on everything where you just send it to them no questions asked no receipt and they will fix it. However they have no way to prove the 20 years so in reality if you send them anything they will fix it or replace it with an equal model or newer with no questions asked...

Although this not realistic for any computer parts I would like to see something similar offered with high end, enthusiast components... :smile9:
 
Man will never reach perfection...
Exactly my point. And there are many points along the way where something less than perfection can get in the way. The raw materials (especially those used in semi-conductors) will never be 100.000% pure. Plus the manufacturing and assembly techniques, while precise, can never be consistently perfect. For sure, as a general category, electronics are much more reliable than the mechanical industrial products, but electrons (because they have "mass", thus physical properties) bouncing around in conductors still create friction and wear and tear, generating heat which takes us back the last line in my sig.
 
Ok you two. I get that nothing is perfect.

I've had a controller go out on one of my hard drives that wasn't even 2 months old. That one I RMA'd cuz two months old didn't seem right.

In my book anything that is 6 months to 2 years, even if it's within warranty I won't fight it. Sometimes I do, but not always.

More or less I was asking if I should stay with my gut and stay with corsair or pick a different brand.

In terms of corsair, how do they break down their tiers?
  • AX Series
  • HX Series
  • TX Series
  • GS Series
  • CX Series
 
Ok you two. I get that nothing is perfect.
That's what you get for taking so much more than 24 hours to reply! ;)

As for your PSU, you can generally view the price and see tier levels. The warranty period might be a clue too. I like and use Corsairs but I also like Antec, OCZ, Mushkin, PC P&C, and Seasonic.

I generally recommend looking for power supply brands listed under the "Reputable" column of PC Mech's PSU Reference List. Then make sure to select one that is 80 PLUS certified and is EnergyStar Compliant. 80 PLUS certified PSUs are required to have fairly linear efficiencies. This is important to ensure the PSU is running at or near peak efficiency regardless the load or power demands. Non-linear PSUs typically are most efficient when the load is in a narrow range between 70 and 90% of the PSU’s capacity and the efficiency may drop dramatically above and below those amounts.
 

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