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Hi,

Well first off, the only people with access to IPs are the staff here on Sysnative, and I can assure you that none of our staff are providing IPs to anyone, let alone the owners/staff of SevenForums. It's also due to the fact that the majority of our staff are banned from SevenForums anyway.

In any case, even though I am well over the fact that this happened, we have a few users here that provide active assistance here on Sysnative and went untouched on SevenForums as well known members there. Most if not all of those members no longer post there, but to answer your question, they did not get banned. I don't even think SevenForums cares that much to be quite honest, although with example bans like Bass, and what happened in the past, you can never really know what's next. The main issue you're reading here occurred almost two years ago and I can safely say that all of us have moved on to greener pastures and have left the past behind us. For many of us, the greener pastures happen to be Sysnative!

Hope you're enjoying Sysnative!

Regards,

Patrick
 
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Yep....the grass sure is greener over here....love it. Although the "new post" are doesn't seem to be getting a lot of traffic lately. But I come here ever day and see what I can answer and help with.
 
Well I am testing the theory that being a member here and at TSF will get me banned, I joined SF the other week so now I will see how long it takes. Since this is a test getting banned will make no never mind to me and be first experience of it,I kind hate to be left out of the club lol.

After reading all this (while looking for malware support for Win8), makes me very curious... So we'll see: a total n00b here with accounts at SF and EF, and a little posting at SF (and not damn much, I got very little help from there, I got more from MDL), let's see if I get the banhammer from them just because I'm a member here---it'll mean that SOMEONE from that forum is squatting on this one watching for duplicate names and/or IPs, for the specific purpose of banning those people on VF/SF/EF/TTF. THAT is really baaaad...

Start the ban counter... NOW! ;-)


While that is an interesting dilemma I doubt z3r checks this thread or here frequently at all.

I think the only way the ban hammer will find you is if he happens to check the site and sees it in the recent threads.

For the most part only our staff was targeted but, his loss TBH. He lost A LOT of valuable intelligent members.
 
Sorry for bringing up an old thread but...

Well given that pretty much all good BSOD analysts are no longer at SF they're all here, the only one left who is good is Harry Miller (x BlueRobot) who has left as well, he's now here.
There's no good analysts left, I don't consider Arc or Golden good at all.
They took away my BSOD Team badge as I was sick of being told how to debug and what I'm doing is "too complicated" so they retaliated by removing the badge, they probably looked through my PMs.

I still go on to look at a few threads as there are some interesting cases but this is my home now, far better forum.
 
Sorry for bringing up an old thread but...

Well given that pretty much all good BSOD analysts are no longer at SF they're all here, the only one left who is good is Harry Miller (x BlueRobot) who has left as well, he's now here.
There's no good analysts left, I don't consider Arc or Golden good at all.
They took away my BSOD Team badge as I was sick of being told how to debug and what I'm doing is "too complicated" so they retaliated by removing the badge, they probably looked through my PMs.

I still go on to look at a few threads as there are some interesting cases but this is my home now, far better forum.

I'm glad you like it here :) The sad truth of the matter though is that it doesn't matter. They give a good show of looking like "experts" and if the basic steps don't solve the problem they'll just recommend hardware tests & a reinstall. OP assumes that the case was all along unresolvable as even the "experts" couldn't fix it, and accepts a reinstall thinking they received the best service they could.

By contrast, because you actually diagnose the issue, you probably take slightly longer. You probably also delay reinstalling slightly longer (you will want like all of us here a couple of shots at diagnosing the issue because you're actually a true debugger), but the seniors over at SF don't want that. They want volume (--> ad clicks) and they want quick service. Reinstalling after a bit of basic debugging is quicker and less effort (also doesn't require any skill either so they can take the pick of the hoards of self-styled techs).

I had a similar experience there before I got banned. Ended up fighting against those who simply wanted to reinstall every Windows Update thread because it had "corrupt files". They didn't care that I'd already posted a fix, certain members kept insisting on repeatedly using their senior badges to make my posts look like inadvisable risk taking & guesswork. Loads of the fixes I put together for people were never used as a result.


Remember to keep your head held high though, because you are one of the real debuggers. There are very few people, across all forums, who have your skills, and you can do a far better job than any canned speech. Take pride in your work and never forget that, online, we dedicate ourselves to the OP and not ourselves or the forum.

It's been nice seeing you around these last couple of weeks and I hope to get to know you better in the future too :)

Richard
 
I've had a few conversations with people about this before and it's just stupid, prior to losing my badge I got this message on my visitor's messages:

This is way too complicated mate.... BSOD Happens while I am multi tasking across various programs - Page 2 - Windows 7 Help Forums

I know you are trying to do the right thing, but you could of just told him to replace the Realtek driver.


Remember : the best BSOD analysis is the one that is very simple - no need for reams of comvoluted code that the OP won't understand. Simplify your analysis :D

That was from Golden if you've ever spoke to him, an arrogant, know it all so called BSOD analyst who has to be right.

The link will work if you wish to look (if you can).

I've also had messages saying things like "That's not a valid troubleshooting process!"

When I first started debugging I used the !errrec command on 0x124 bugchecks when I got this response from Arc:

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[COLOR=#000000]Common Platform Error Record @ fffffa800768a8f8[/COLOR]

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[COLOR=#000000]Record Id : 01cf5560d6c96d22[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Severity : Fatal (1)[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Length : 928[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Creator : Microsoft[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Notify Type : Machine Check Exception[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Timestamp : 4/11/2014 8:34:25[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Flags : 0x00000002 PreviousError[/COLOR]


[COLOR=#000000]===============================================================================[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Section 0 : Processor Generic[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Descriptor @ fffffa800768a978[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Section @ fffffa800768aa50[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Offset : 344[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Length : 192[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Flags : 0x00000001 Primary[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Severity : Fatal[/COLOR]


[COLOR=#000000]Proc. Type : x86/x64[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Instr. Set : x64[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Error Type : Micro-Architectural Error[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Flags : 0x00[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]CPU Version : 0x00000000000306c3[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Processor ID : 0x0000000000000000[/COLOR]


[COLOR=#000000]===============================================================================[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Section 1 : x86/x64 Processor Specific[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Descriptor @ fffffa800768a9c0[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Section @ fffffa800768ab10[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Offset : 536[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Length : 128[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Flags : 0x00000000[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Severity : Fatal[/COLOR]


[COLOR=#000000]Local APIC Id : 0x0000000000000000[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]CPU Id : c3 06 03 00 00 08 10 00 - bf fb fa 7f ff fb eb bf[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00[/COLOR]


[COLOR=#000000]Proc. Info 0 @ fffffa800768ab10[/COLOR]


[COLOR=#000000]===============================================================================[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Section 2 : x86/x64 MCA[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Descriptor @ fffffa800768aa08[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Section @ fffffa800768ab90[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Offset : 664[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Length : 264[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Flags : 0x00000000[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Severity : Fatal[/COLOR]


[COLOR=#000000]Error : Internal timer (Proc 0 Bank 3)[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#000000]Status : 0xf200000000800400[/COLOR]

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This is a strong indication of a failing CPU so please run it for around 2 hours.



This is not a process of troubleshooting!


One should not use the !errrec when the first parameter is zero. It will give the same output all the times. Which will only lead to misleading and fallacious understanding to the issue.


100 out of 100 stop 0x124 issues with first parameter 0 will show CPU errors, whereas in practice CPUs are the most stable part of hardware.

I also had comments about my debugging on 0xF4 bugchecks, I deleted a quote before so I can't give you the entire message but I commented about memory leakages can cause 0xF4s sometimes when he asked for a link to support this information, I gave him this fantastic thread:

System Crashing .... plz help asap - Windows XP - MSFN Forum

Well, those ideas are keeping you away from looking at the real places.

Nobody can chase a red herring successfully.


About memory failure, it may cause any sort of BSODs that may be listed down. If one hits the target, how many does not??


So it cannot be a theory.

Originally Posted by Thedoctor44 - 2 Weeks Ago 12:48 PM
So if a 0xF4 bugcheck hasn't been caused by a failing drive then what would you suggest?

Not only the drive, but anything of the entire storage environment; including a failing port on the motherboard.
 
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I am very sorry to see that. In the end, it's SF's loss as they've lost a very talented analyst.

When I was banned from SF, the main analyst there was Mike (Writhziden), with over 11,000 posts in 2 years. He made a write up on debugging and was the one who first showed me how to debug. If you've ever used it, he is the developer of the SysnativeBSODApp for bulk analysis of dumps.

I think the problems at SF weren't helped by the high volume of traffic. At one point, Mike was the only one really doing analysis, hence his crazy high post count and an average post rate of over 30 posts day. That was the reason for the app development, to keep up with the huge demand. Eventually, Mike burnt-out and stepped down from debugging, before he then left. Mike's analysis was never quite as detailed as yours or Patrick's, simply because of demand. He did develop a very good ability to spot patterns and be able to pounce on a cause with only the smallest of hints in the dump, because he was dealing with so many of them.

My analysis was never as detailed as yours or Patrick's, and I never did as much as Mike. Most of what I know came from Mike, and I relied on canned speeches a lot at the start. I still have them all. For a bit of nostalgia, I found my first debugging thread.... Wow... hxxp://www.sevenforums.com/bsod-help-support/233407-bsod-while-streaming-downloading-gaming-mostly-driver_irql-messages.html. I'm cringing slightly - that was just a case of throwing every diagnostic tool I had at it and seeing if something stuck! :p My debugging did get better!

IIRC, Mike taught Arc to start with, but obviously since Mike left, Arc has been on his own. Looking around, the only "old" analyst I see is Richc46, who has been there for years. Other than that, all of the ones from my "era" have either left or been banned. SF seems great at attracting great analysts, but can never keep them. H2SO4, Writhziden, FredeGail, JaidynM, Patrick, You, X BlueRobot, JCGriff2, Vir Gnarus and so forth. Most of the BSOD team there now seem to be the "new" generation, and who trained them I am unsure.

I think Richard hit the nail on the head in his post. The aim of SF is to get them in and out as fast as possible, resorting to the quickest way possible. Test the RAM, test the HDD, run Driver Verifier and try and find a faulty driver, stress test and then reinstall. If reinstall doesn't solve it, swap out hardware. Vir Gnarus sums the approach up quite well here: https://www.sysnative.com/forums/bs...284-blue-screen-of-death-method-and-tips.html

Vir Gnarus said:
5. Interpret, Verify, and Diagnose, in that order - It's easy to jump straight to diagnosing an issue just by the readout given by !analyze -v from a crashdump someone gave you, but be careful. Many things can prevent the data you and the analysis engine see from being accurate and will lead you in the wrong direction. You must first be able to interpret what you see in the first place so you can understand it, then you should verify that the data given is legit and can be used to diagnose the problem. If you fail to follow all three steps in that order, both your conclusions and assumptions will be misleading, and end up causing the user to do stuff they shouldn't have to do to fix the problem, often finishing unsuccessfully.
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8. Avoid the Caveman Approach - Swapping hardware. Uninstalling software. Changing various settings. Anything that alters the environment with the intent not to resolve an issue but to find an answer is never wise. You often will cause problems for the client later on, and it'll often cause them to be dissatisfied with having a messy PC in the end, even if the problem does somehow managed to get fixed after it all. Granted, there are those desparate times where your knowledge runs short or resources are sparing where there doesn't seem to be any other option, but too often people resort to caveman approaches way too early, effectively giving up on a proper diagnosis and just deciding to go hog wild and make a lot of noise in the process. Ask others for assistance (or knowledge), run tests instead of changing things around, acquire more data, re-evaluate the situation. Do whatever it takes before having it come to this. Though in all honesty, you're probably better off swallowing your pride and saying "I cannot help you" than making a mess of their PC in a vain effort to close the case. If you're determined, ask them first about going this route before proceeding and the ramifications involved.

I know being banned can sometimes be emotional, but they never really welcomed you there anyway. There's plenty more to learn, and plenty more people to help. Keep doing what you do best - helping people.

-Stephen
 
I read Methods & Tips by Vir Gnarus, he was the main person to help me understand a lot of debugging, amazing person.

I'm not really bothered to be honest, they lost another person who spent a lot of time on the BSOD section, it was only me, Arc and Golden who really did anything, even then I kept having conflicts with Arc and Golden who didn't like how I debugged. That's probably why I only managed to get into the BSOD Team last week, I knew they never really wanted me there as I wouldn't listen.

There's only 2 people left who I was 'Training' if that's the right term as I started them debugging and I wanted them to properly debug and not follow blindly in the rest of the so called 'analysts' footsteps.
At the end of the day it's their loss as more pressure will be put on them, I've been speaking with Shadowjk who has recently joined Sysnative after I convinced him to as he's the best networking troubleshooter I know, I've been talking to him on Skype and he says how disgusting it is me getting banned and the rest of you.
 
I'm surprised I haven't been banned yet, but that's probably because I left before causing any conflicts. I understand what you mean about the generic troubleshooting approach, and just throwing random ideas about until you hopefully find a solution. It's one of the reasons why I left, with the main reason, being that everyone was getting banned because they wouldn't conform to their rules.

I remember I posted a thread from another analyst at a different forum which was quite technical; the analyst managed to work out from some careful digging, what a few undocumented parameters for a bugcheck were used for. Arc immediately got defensive about the post, saying that our purpose was to 'help' the user and not work out what things mean.

I guess there's about three generations of debuggers at Sevenforums - there's the first generation which is people like Vir Gnarus, Writhziden and H2SO4 etc. These are the people who created the first tutorials and posts, then there's the second generation, which I guess includes me, Arc and koolkat77 and so forth. The more recent third generation and fourth generations are people (3rd generation) who I taught at Sevenforums and the fourth generation is people who have just started now.

I went and looked at the Debugging section recently and I haven't seen any debuggers which I recognize at all. I think everyone has either gone into a different niche or have come to Sysnative which is great :D

I prefer the detailed posts which have explanations behind them, because if someone wants my help, then I quickly read through the previous posts and see what has been tried or what information has already been gathered from the dump files. It also gives an insight about what debugging is and what its about for the user, which sometimes starts a new generation of analysts. That's how I got interested in debugging anyway.

This forum might be much smaller than Sevenforums, but I feel that the quality of help is much greater here, and everyone is much more supportive and friendly to each other.
 
The politics involved is just not necessary and I can't see why they can't work as a team and respect each others methods. I mean they do have 'BSOD Team' in the badge no?

Josh

That's probably the main reason why I left, it got too political for me. I know Richard Feynman left a Royal Society or some elitist physics group, because he felt that they spent more time deciding who to let into their social group rather than doing any physics.
 
Well I'm fairly new at debugging but I've picked up a lot mainly from Vir Gnarus, Patrick and you.
Arc gets really defensive and posts all these generic troubleshooting ideas which I never like to do...

The best thing about this forum is the community, everyone is friendly and allows off topic discussions which is basically forbidden over there.
Looks like I've been banned across the board so I can't get into Eight Forums or PC Help Forum but I never went on those anyway, after I saw that you left things started going downhill a lot as Arc and Golden took over even more, then introduced Essenbe into debugging etc.

The other thing I like about this forum which is similar to off topic is that just say your helping an OP I can post "how did you do that?" to which you could easily explain which is great :)
 
PC Help Forum used to be an independent forum, it was only taken over recently by the Sevenforums franchise.
 
Yeah I know about that, I love the fact that you say 'franchise' :D
 
The main thing I like about Sysnative is all of my friends (who I basically consider second family) are here, and we all worth together every single day with zero problems. There's no headbutting, jealously, arguments, etc. If two people are posting in the thread at the same time, it's very 'human' if that makes sense.

In other words, we're not both blindly throwing around canned replies to argue 'Hey, my canned reply is better' or 'I have a bigger brain than you'. Both analysts (whether BSOD, Windows Update, Network, etc) talk to one another in the thread while they solve the problem. I don't think you can really find that anywhere else.

One of the most important things I've learned in my time doing BSOD's on forums is making friends is the most important thing. It's one thing to have a love for what you do, and to be able to see the satisfaction that you provide people. It's another thing to do that, and to make/have really great friends that you can work with along the way.
 
That's very true, I can't find a better forum :)

I've never had any fall outs over this forum, there's no reason for me to.

Oh and I've been talking to Josh again (Shadowjk) and he's thinking about doing some tutorials in the networking section if anyone is interested.
 
The politics involved is just not necessary and I can't see why they can't work as a team and respect each others methods.

Very true indeed.

We each have our own troubleshooting methods and each should be respected. It's not like we're out there posting gibberish! Those that choose to post extremely detailed posts are helping others besides the OP. I can honestly say that I have learned more about debugging from others detailed notations and greatly appreciate it.

Rarely is there ever just one way to troubleshoot a BSOD.

...I mean they do have 'BSOD Team' in the badge no?

Josh

It sure does!

Team work can solve just about anything as is proven here daily.
 
That's very true, I can't find a better forum :)

I've never had any fall outs over this forum, there's no reason for me to.

Oh and I've been talking to Josh again (Shadowjk) and he's thinking about doing some tutorials in the networking section if anyone is interested.

I started out on forums in 2000. Fourteen years later, I'm still a member (and Admin) of the first forum I joined and many of the same people are also still there. Others return after an absence of a year and longer, just stopping in to say "Hi". That is what community is all about, not post count or "rep" points (most promoting buddies anyway). It is sharing information and helping others as clearly as possible. Clear does not necessarily mean "simple", rather providing information and instructions in an orderly fashion. (BTW, Jared, speaking of richc46, he started at that very same forum in 2001 and continues to stop in for a visit.)

The Networking Tutorial forum is just sitting there and waiting for Josh. :thumbsup2:
 
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