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It has been around for many years - though only recently called MBAM Premium. It was previously MBAM Pro. Sadly, the name change involved a restructuring of the prices too, but it is still less expensive than other paid programs - both in initial costs and renewal fees. It is the only paid security program I recommend (other than WinPatrol PLUS).

For sure, I recommend everyone have the MBAM Free installed on their systems to use for supplemental manual scanning - just to make sure your primary scanner (or you, the user and always weakest link in security) didn't let something slip by. The primary difference between the free and premium versions is the premium includes the real-time scanner.
 
I also run MSE and MBAM premium! I have been using them as a team ever sense the subject came up about IObit.
I know about all the articles that Aura posted. I was one of the main characters that went on every help forum spreading the word about IObit.
I held a title on their forum for several years, but was banned after going on many forums to condemn their actions. They tired to hack into my PC for 6 months because I exposed them to the help forums. MBAM successful blocked over 720 attempts. That was in my younger days.
I have a lot to say about this, but Aura has covered it very well. The bottom line is you don't need IObit to maintain your PC and some of their programs can actually cause you a lot of grief!!
 
That may still apply but generally they still work and don't conflict any more as having two did many years ago with XP.

Do you have evidence to support this claim? Because it's not particularly true.

There's a reason one antivirus suite only is recommended, and that's because for any software you install regardless of its intended job, you're increasing your attack surface. Given the fact that most antiviruses are granted complete come/go access to the kernel, have the highest privileges, have various kernel-mode drivers, etc, your surface is increased just that much more. For the record I am not implying it's a good idea to go without an antivirus, just saying that even with one installed, you're still vulnerable to exploits and such.

When you have two suites installed, your analogy is perfect... two dogs guarding the same bone, and when one goes to look at the bone, the other might too, and they end up clashing and they both have a fight. The owner gets pissed off because he doesn't want his dogs to further injure themselves (or anything else), so he puts and end to the fighting (i.e a bug check to prevent further corruption).

MBAM and an antivirus installed together are different, because although it's a real-time protection solution, it's anti-malware, nothing more. MBAM isn't supposed to be a substitute for an antivirus suite, because it's not an antivirus.
 
I appreciate all the links you guys (and girls!) provided about these "pc boosters" "reg cleaners" and "driver updaters". I will read them. Many thanks! As a rule, I steer clear of them.
I do sometimes go into the registry and delete items manually when I feel the need, and I prefer that to some program using broad strokes.
As for drivers...my philosophy is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
I must confess that I do use Ccleaner's registry cleaner from time to time, but I've never had to restore the backed up keys.
I do also use IObit uninstaller.
I like that it creates a restore point, and its 'powerful uninstaller' feature allows itemized removal of folders and reg keys left behind. It hasn't caused any issues for me.
Am I taking a risk by using just these 2 programs for cleanup?
 
Everytime you use a Registry Cleaner, you take a huge risk, yes. As for IObit Uninstaller, a lot of users commented that it leaves quite a load of entries behind. I'm using Revo Uninstaller instead. They have a free and a portable version (as well as a paid one). You can use the one that fits your needs.
 
Even with Revo Uninstaller, I understand that using it in aggressive mode can result in it removing more bits than it was supposed to and causing problems. (Don't quote me but I believe it was DonnaB who ran into that situation with someone she was helping.)

@Oneman: See what you started! :lol:
 
Do you have evidence to support this claim? Because it's not particularly true.
You are almost asking me to prove there are no unicorns, or aliens. Security programs, because of what they must do, typically are pretty resource heavy. So what you typically see when people overload their systems with multiple anti-malware solutions is slow, bogged down systems because of the massive amounts of resources being utilized. I don't consider those problems "conflicts".

I guess I would ask you show evidence where having two installed does cause "conflicts". And perhaps ask that you define what you mean by conflicts then show us some examples.

In the old days, and by that, I mean with XP, if you ran more than one anti-virus program, it was not uncommon for one to report the other is "suspicious", or for one to prevent the other from being updated. Or maybe even quarantine components of the other, or block their installation. I don't see those "conflicts" anymore with today's security programs running on W7/8/10 systems. Again, got examples?

I am not implying it's a good idea to go without an antivirus, just saying that even with one installed, you're still vulnerable to exploits and such.
That's true, but you are implying it is because you have that antivirus installed, you are exposed to vulnerabilities created or exposed by the anti-virus program. I subscribe to and watch carefully the reports of new vulnerabilities and I have not heard of any case where a computer can be exploited specifically because of a vulnerability in the installed security program (assuming legitimate security and not rogue). Got examples?

The two dogs does apply, but that does not suggest they will let the badguy sneak in behind them because they are paying too much attention to the bone, or other dog.
MBAM isn't supposed to be a substitute for an antivirus suite, because it's not an antivirus.
I disagree, and so does Malwarebytes - unless you can show where Malwarebytes say MBAM "must" be used in conjunction with another solution, then I say your claim is just a rumor and left-over beliefs from yesterday.

I keep saying this too, W7/W8/W10 are not XP. What was needed for XP probably isn't for these modern operating systems which, unlike XP, were designed with security as a top priority.

I note for some reason, some folks seem to think malware does not include viruses. Not true. Or that anti-malware solutions don't scan for viruses. Also not true. Malware, by definition includes viruses, Trojans, worms, rootkits, spyware and any other "malicious software". Therefore, a program that calls itself an anti-malware program scans for viruses too.

Note there 10s if not 100s of millions of users out there running ONLY with MSE on W7 systems and Windows Defender on W8 systems, plus Windows Firewall and doing just fine! MSE/WD are anti-malware solutions. You might want check out Ask Leo! and note where he says,
Leo said:
I continue to recommend MSE as a convenient, low-overhead, low impact anti-virus and anti-spyware tool. It’s easy, it’s reliable, and requires almost no effort to set up or monitor. As others often recommend, MalwareBytes is a fine companion utility to add an extra layer of security should you feel so inclined. (I run with only MSE, and pull out Malwarebytes only as needed, which is quite infrequent.)
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Even with Revo Uninstaller
No surprise there as Revo is really a registry cleaner too.
 
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Yes Corrine, I think you're right.... it's all Oneman's fault! We should take him to the Town Square and stone him! :dance:

On a more cheerful note, I'll probably continue my occasional forays into the registry, but I've learned to control my urges and stay away from regedit as much as possible!

Yes Aura, IObit leaves things behind as well, and my OCD forces me to go through my system and clean the rest manually! So far... So good! My Dell is 6 yrs old, running Vista 32bit, and I have it performing better now than when it came out of the box.
 
Okay. I missed that. Thanks. But as for the conflicts... still waiting.
There are a lot of older articles but I wanted to find something more recent, particularly since Windows 8/8.1. Bold added to the quotes below.

Kaspersky, June 19, 2014: Can you use two antivirus programs on one computer?:
Firstly, several antiviruses acting simultaneously mean inevitable system resource conflicts. Each of the antiviruses seek to gain control over a long list of operations: establishing network connection, writing files, and alike, thus, ‘arguing’ over Windows functions they get in each other’s way. The consequences may vary: from slowing down the system to making it absolutely inoperable or even knocking down both antiviruses, which is, well, bad.

Microsoft, August 5, 2014: Can I run more than one antivirus program?:
You should never run more than one antivirus program at the same time. The two programs could slow down your computer, and they might even identify each other as a virus, which could lead to file corruption or other conflicts and errors that make your antivirus protection less effective—or not effective at all.
 
Yes Aura, IObit leaves things behind as well, and my OCD forces me to go through my system and clean the rest manually! So far... So good! My Dell is 6 yrs old, running Vista 32bit, and I have it performing better now than when it came out of the box.


If you can take care of your OS the right way, and manage it properly, it'll always run at an optimal speed. Hence why I never reinstalled Windows a single time in my life. I always take care of it the right way and in exchange it performs well. If I have an issue, I take care of it right away and don't let it be.
 
Wow! All I can say about all this, is there is some really good information in this thread. It kind a shows me that members here on sysnative are hungry to show their knowledge about other things that seldom get discussed here. I personally think we need more of these discussions.
Maybe the OP has started a trend.
Thanks Oneman!!
 
Yes Aura, IObit leaves things behind as well, and my OCD forces me to go through my system and clean the rest manually! So far... So good! My Dell is 6 yrs old, running Vista 32bit, and I have it performing better now than when it came out of the box.


If you can take care of your OS the right way, and manage it properly, it'll always run at an optimal speed. Hence why I never reinstalled Windows a single time in my life. I always take care of it the right way and in exchange it performs well. If I have an issue, I take care of it right away and don't let it be.

Yes Aura, best to take care of any issues as they come up. I admit, I've used restore points several times, but I've never done a reinstall either, except when I replaced my HDD. I consider my system my lifeline, so I keep it clean and up to date, as I see you do as well. :thumbsup2:
 
Windows 7 actually has a built in tool that will tell you if you have more than one anti-virus program running.
 

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Okay. I missed that. Thanks. But as for the conflicts... still waiting.
There are a lot of older articles but I wanted to find something more recent, particularly since Windows 8/8.1. Bold added to the quotes below.

Kaspersky, June 19, 2014: Can you use two antivirus programs on one computer?:
Firstly, several antiviruses acting simultaneously mean inevitable system resource conflicts. Each of the antiviruses seek to gain control over a long list of operations: establishing network connection, writing files, and alike, thus, ‘arguing’ over Windows functions they get in each other’s way. The consequences may vary: from slowing down the system to making it absolutely inoperable or even knocking down both antiviruses, which is, well, bad.

Microsoft, August 5, 2014: Can I run more than one antivirus program?:
You should never run more than one antivirus program at the same time. The two programs could slow down your computer, and they might even identify each other as a virus, which could lead to file corruption or other conflicts and errors that make your antivirus protection less effective—or not effective at all.

Thanks for those Corrine and I have seen them and several like them before. What I am saying is, besides bogging systems down, which both links emphasis and I noted above, I just am not seeing the other "conflicts" reported - not in forums, or with computers coming across my bench anymore - as I did years ago. With XP, yes. But fortunately, I see fewer and fewer XP systems.

Yet I do see lots of forum posts and in computers coming across my bench where users have multiple AV/AM programs loaded where the computers still appear to work fine otherwise. That is, they were able to install the 2nd or 3rd program and the computers and other programs were still running.

To be sure, I agree with all and advise against that practice. I am just saying I don't see the commonly given reason of "conflicts" as valid anymore - unless, that is, bogging down systems is considered a conflict.
 
I have dozens of crash dumps laying around somewhere that stem from two suites installed, and after one was removed, the crashes stopped.

I could even go as far to conducting a test environment of my own with two installed, but I wouldn't be actively using it, so it'd be of little use.
 
I just have one small little comment.
Times are changing people. Some of the old myths that still hang around about these things just don't apply these days.
Being creatures that hate chances, we resist these chances. I try to keep a open mind about these things. If it's working for you "Go-For-It.

Yet I do see lots of forum posts and in computers coming across my bench where users have multiple AV/AM programs loaded where the computers still appear to work fine otherwise. That is, they were able to install the 2nd or 3rd program and the computers and other programs were still running.

To be sure, I agree with all and advise against that practice. I am just saying I don't see the commonly given reason of "conflicts" as valid anymore - unless, that is, bogging down systems is considered a conflict.

Some times the people in the field see things that people in help forums don't see. I say "Talking the talk and walking the walk" can be a whole new ball game! However, I don't recommend two anti-virus programs in real time and I don't think Digerati is either.
 
I have dozens of crash dumps laying around somewhere that stem from two suites installed, and after one was removed, the crashes stopped.
I've seen this too. But I cannot conclude it was just because two programs were installed.

For example, I have seen (too many) times where NIS caused problems and removing NIS stopped the problems. And (too many) times when AVG caused problems and uninstalling AVG and installing MSE fixed the problems.

So uninstalling one does not automatically suggest it was conflicting with the other security program.

No doubt there are exceptions, but exceptions don't make the rule, either.
 

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