You're telling me the TV slogan is a lie? *shocked face*
Tesla Owner Blows Car Up instead of Paying €22,000 for a New Battery Pack
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You're telling me the TV slogan is a lie? *shocked face*
And yet, HDMI is NOT universally forwards and backwards compatible.
Huh? No way. I think you are confusing standards in terms of compliance with "regulations" with standards in terms of universal "compatibility". HUGE difference!
Take 2021 Chevy, Ford and RAM 1/2 ton pickup trucks with V8 engines. Can you put the Chevy engine in the Ford? The Ford's transmission in the RAM? Can you interchange air filters? Oil filters? Wheels? Battery? Computers? Spark plugs? Radiator? Nope! What about catalytic converters, required by regulations? Nope!
Nah! They build "down" to minimums allowed by "regulations".
Have you really looked at them? Why were they fighting to keep them? Because they don't want tighter, more restrictive "regulations" that will cost them more to comply with.For the manufacturers, it is not about doing the right thing. It is not about doing what is best for the consumer, or best for the environment. It is all about marketing fodder for the most profits. Car makers can easily make a nice car that gets 40mpg. But will they do it? Nope. Not until regulations require it. Why? Because to achieve that, they have to put smaller, less powerful engines in those cars. And if they do that, consumers won't buy them.
They seriously lie!
I would have converted it to a Chevy small block V8 with a 6 speed manual and had a real car.
Reminds me of my '69 Chevy CST10 with a 350, Holly double pumper and Hookers! I sure wish I kept that thing. I didn't realize until a few year after I sold it that the CST was a limited edition - worth a fortune today, especially since it was an Arizona truck (no rust).
britechguy
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If I had to spend the kind of money that would take (if one were seriously insane) I'd definitely replace the batteries.
Try driving a Tesla Model S. To say they're spirited is an understatement.
I know one person, and know of another who had EVs but switched to hybrids and they both had the same reason - stress! The stress/fear they would run out of juice out on the road somewhere. So both switched to hybrids with their gas engines serving as a backup and integrated mobile charging station for the battery. They each now claim the peace of mind knowing they can never be stranded due to the battery running out of charge.
One also said losing power for 4 days earlier this year making them unable to charge at home was a factor too.
One also said losing power for 4 days earlier this year making them unable to charge at home was a factor too.
Here's the study at UC Davis: eVMT Project - Plug-In Hybrid & Electric Vehicle Research Center
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Don't know what the recharging facilities are like over there in the USA, but over here unless you live in the South East (around London) then they're deplorable.
So until there's a much wider availability of roadside quick charge stations, then IMO battery powered EVs are suitable only for commuting, and then only if you're able to charge them at home, which is not possible for everyone, and even if it is, the cost for the installation of a home charging outlet is pretty steep (around £1000).
So until there's a much wider availability of roadside quick charge stations, then IMO battery powered EVs are suitable only for commuting, and then only if you're able to charge them at home, which is not possible for everyone, and even if it is, the cost for the installation of a home charging outlet is pretty steep (around £1000).
britechguy
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Which I really don't get. Battery/Gas tank, same difference.
Keep your eye on your fuel and refuel as necessary.
Also, tool to task as well. There were (and still are) certain EVs that were specifically designed as "in town cars" with limited range. Still way above what most folks would be driving daily, but never intended for road trips.
But human behavior, and decision making, is very seldom based on anything even approaching "pure" logic and reason and most often involves a lot of preconceived notions and unfounded worries. I'm not immune to that pattern, either, but I try to make myself stop and reconsider almost anything I've researched in the past when the time comes around to use that information again. Things change, and change very quickly in recent decades.
britechguy
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While they're still nothing at all like gasoline/petrol stations in terms of commonality, they are steadily getting there, and particularly along all the interstate highways and even more particularly in more populous areas in general.
I live in Staunton, VA, which you can look up on the map. We're not "urban" in any sense, but do lie along Interstate 81 and right at the place where Interstate 64 takes off to the east.
Tesla built a multi-vehicle charging station (I'd have to count as it's expanded, but I think at least 8 cars can be handled at once) at a local quick market right off of the interstate several years back and have expanded it since. The Walmart just up the block put in 6 charging stations (I think, it could be 8) in its parking lot around 2 years ago. A few months ago, just up the block from Walmart, a local grocery store (part of a chain) put in 4-vehicle charging station in its parking lot.
The trend here is clear, and given what's going on in the current EV market and what the major automobile manufacturers have announced as their plans, there is zero doubt that charging stations as part of a very great many more parking lots in all sorts of venues will continue to pop up like mushrooms in the forest after a spring rain.
What I will be curious to see as time goes by is how much less (or possibly more, though I doubt it) maintenance EVs will take than their ICE counterparts do.
britechguy
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Also true here if you want quick charge capability. But there are plenty of "plug-in" EVs that will slow charge overnight where the expense for an outlet for this purpose is significantly less expensive. And I'd imagine that a very great many will be quite content with getting home for the day and "slow" charging the car overnight.
Do you think the current market value of a 2013 is worth more than $25,000?
A new one - definitely.
I didn't know about the 8 year warranty. Given 2021, he must have just missed the 8 year warranty.
You're right - battery costs will come down sharply as the years pass by. Perhaps even new and cheaper types of batteries will also be invented.
I have no idea how the EV used car market will evolve. I would imagine even this guy could have made some money on the parts as body parts are in extremely high demand.
Do your (whoever - wherever you live) EVs make any type of noise as they roll down the road?
I've noticed here in the US that EVs emit a "humming" type sound that local newspapers say is an add-on (by the EV manufacturer. Its sole purpose is to alert pedestrians as early EVs were hitting people because pedestrians and cyclists could not hear a car coming and would just walk/cycle out into traffic.
I've noticed here in the US that EVs emit a "humming" type sound that local newspapers say is an add-on (by the EV manufacturer. Its sole purpose is to alert pedestrians as early EVs were hitting people because pedestrians and cyclists could not hear a car coming and would just walk/cycle out into traffic.
britechguy
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Yes: 2013 tesla model s in Cars & Trucks | eBay
eBay Motors sold items are a very good metric for what "the going rate" is. There are always a few lowball sales, and if you dig into the description there's often a very good reason why, too.
britechguy
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Could Electric Cars Be Dangerous To Pedestrians? » Traffic ...
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I had a very dear friend who was blind, who passed away at the start of 2021 (not Covid related), and she's the one who really drove home the point about how dangerous silent, or very, very nearly silent, motor vehicles were for blind pedestrians in particular. But the way that so many walk around with their noses in their phone screens, and are relying on auditory cues whether they realize it or not, it doesn't help the sighted, either, to have silent cars.
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Despite what it says in your last linked article Brian, there are still "silent" EVs in the UK. Not sure whether this is because we're no longer part of the EU, or because the law/regulation is not applied retrospectively to older EVs.
Did see an interesting program on the TV, where they were discussing what kind of noise they thought EVs should make, and each manufacturer seemed to have different ideas on the subject.
For me personally, I'd prefer it if they used a sound similar to that already produced by Gasoline Engines, since that's what people are used to, and therefore we're already programmed to react appropriately when we hear that sound.
Did see an interesting program on the TV, where they were discussing what kind of noise they thought EVs should make, and each manufacturer seemed to have different ideas on the subject.
For me personally, I'd prefer it if they used a sound similar to that already produced by Gasoline Engines, since that's what people are used to, and therefore we're already programmed to react appropriately when we hear that sound.
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