Vote for Your Primary Web Browser

Which is your primary web browser? (IE listed for older systems. 🙂)

  • Brave

    Votes: 4 16.0%

  • Chrome

    Votes: 6 24.0%

  • Edge

    Votes: 6 24.0%

  • Firefox

    Votes: 7 28.0%

  • IE

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • MyPal

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Opera

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Pale Moon

    Votes: 1 4.0%

  • Safari

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Vivaldi

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • Total voters
    25
Interesting. That was it but I sure did not change that setting. When I changed it to either of the other options (Never or Incompatible sites only), IE does indeed open up.

So it would seem MS changed it for me. :mad: I don't mind that they changed it but I do mind they did it without telling me. Or maybe they did tell me but it sure was not an "in my face" notification - which is what I would want.

Thanks. I learned something new today! :)
 
Digerati said:
So it would seem MS changed it for me. :mad: I don't mind that they changed it but I do mind they did it without telling me. Or maybe they did tell me but it sure was not an "in my face" notification - which is what I would want.
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The steps to the final removal of IE from Windows will be, like virtually everything now in the age of WAAS, rolled out to cohorts of machines. This was probably one of the very earliest steps, and your machine was very likely in one of the very earliest cohorts.

Microsoft has blasted from the rooftops that IE is about to bite the dust. I very seriously doubt they're going to notify anyone about incremental steps toward that ultimate goal contained in Windows Updates of any sort.

And the above is a simple statement of fact, not a statement that I agree with or approve of it. But it's the latest in a "Lather, rinse, repeat," cycle that most of us here should recognize, and recognize well.
 
britechguy said:
Microsoft has blasted from the rooftops that IE is about to bite the dust.
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I agree with that.
britechguy said:
I very seriously doubt they're going to notify anyone about incremental steps
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I see no reason why not. They should at least put the notification in the description of the Windows Update that changed the setting.
 
@Digerati,

You seem to believe, and I'll take the blame, that my response was one of approval about no notification. It isn't.

This is one of those, "We've been down this road, many times before, and Microsoft has always behaved similarly," situations. I see absolutely no reason to even hope that has any potential for change.

I've actually taken your position about what should happen, and it should happen, many times before. It's just not gonna.
 
I was an MS MVP for many years - and yes, I understand, perhaps better than many, how MS works. Even when I had an inside track to express complaints, they still are going to do it their way. They have actually gotten better, IMO, having learned their lesson particularly with W8 and its forced upon us new UI. I am not saying they are heeding completely the lessons learned, only that they have gotten better about it.
 
Digerati said:
I am not saying they are heeding completely the lessons learned, only that they have gotten better about it.
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I doubt anyone could argue that. Windows 10 itself was a very significant concession to the massive hue and cry that went up about Windows 8.

But, pretty much as you've said, it's been incremental change (I'd say baby steps). Often that change isn't landing where I'd most prefer it, but 'twas ever thus!
 
I would not advise using IE on this site (or other newer sites) because IE handles/does (??) some strange things with code boxes and quotes.

I had written a tutorial about a year ago that included several code boxes and found that using IE, the text and tabs in the code boxes were all left justified - not keeping the spacing. I believe that IE converted the tab spacing to a single space.

I re-did the code boxes using Edge and had no problems. I have not used IE since then.
 
IE was never W3C Standards compliant, so it would sometimes render CSS and HTML incorrectly, hence why it was common for many websites to use "hacks" to get certain things to work correctly with IE.
 
x BlueRobot said:
IE was never W3C Standards compliant
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This was only part of the problem. The bigger issue was that companies, governments, universities and their sites (the vast majority of them :() didn't stand up to Microsoft and insist Microsoft adhere to "industry" standards. So instead, Microsoft created their own standards and expected everyone else comply with them. And they did.

That worked back in the day when Microsoft ruled the world. And it might still be fine today had Microsoft been allowed (by Congress and the EU) to include AV code in XP like they wanted to. But MS was forced to remove the AV code (or risk forced break up, Ma Bell style). Then the bad guys moved in, in-part because of the totally unexpected (by all) explosion of "broadband to the home". But also because Norton, McAfee and the others failed to stop them after whining and crying to Congress and the EU that it was their job to stop them. Then the alternative W3C - more or less - compliant browsers started eating away at IE's dominance - much due to the exaggerated or even totally false claims about IE's lack of security (but that's for a different discussion).

So fast forward a few years and Microsoft changes its policies and philosophies and decides "security first" and "industry standards compliance" makes for better PR. So along comes the free MSE, then Windows Defender and now Edge, tossing IE to the wayside.

What needs to happen now is people need to let IE go. And that's hard, I know. IE was my preferred browser ever since Northrop Grumman IT (the company I worked for) threated to fire me if I didn't give up Netscape and move to IE6. I only switched to Pale Moon after the first Edge came out and IE started giving me problems. I'm convinced MS started sabotaging IE to force users to Edge - but that may be tinfoil hat stuff. But then I started having rendering problems with PM about the same time the new Chromium Edge came out so I switch to it, and liked it.

Now I'm used to the new Edge so that's what I use.

Part of the problem now is, IMO, companies like Malwarebytes who continue to support XP (and thus IE) "enabling" those legacy users to keep using them. IMO, security companies like Malwarebytes should be encouraging their users to upgrade to modern, secure operating systems, not hanging on to obsolete, superseded (several times over), unsupported, insecure, legacy products. But that too is for a different discussion.
 
Digerati said:
What needs to happen now is people need to let IE go. And that's hard, I know. IE was my preferred browser ever since Northrop Grumman IT (the company I worked for) threated to fire me if I didn't give up Netscape and move to IE6. I only switched to Pale Moon after the first Edge came out and IE started giving me problems. I'm convinced MS started sabotaging IE to force users to Edge - but that may be tinfoil hat stuff. But then I started having rendering problems with PM about the same time the new Chromium Edge came out so I switch to it, and liked it.
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You can still get revenge. Netscape is available for download. Works great with everything up to Windows ME. :LOL:​

 
Brave for me, though I often fire up Chrome, Firefox, Edge and others, mostly to compare.

One reason I like Brave so much is that it has a great Ad-blocker that is still not recognised by many websites that will prevent reading of content when an ad-blocker is detected.

I published a review comparing it to Chrome some time back. My opinion of it still hasn't changed.

Brave Browser - Better than Google Chrome?
 
@andrewlen

If you like Brave (and I do) but need something that's similar, but generally works on sites that "balk with Brave" then have a look at Vivaldi. Those two are my primary browsers, but I also use Firefox and Edge as well.
 
Brian,

Just installed Vivaldi and it's quite different to what I'm used to. Should be interesting exploring all the features.

Do you have any particular tips or things that should be set on? I installed the full package.
 
You can reconfigure Vivaldi to "look and feel" more like most of the other Chromium-based browsers. I just played with it for a while and it "became natural" pretty much like any software does after you're used to it.

I don't have any specific tips that jump to mind at the moment. But if you have specific questions I can certainly try to answer them.
 
I primarily use brave but my biggest annoyance is computers in a sync chain not syncing certain settings like allowing popups. I've been made to switch computers at work quite frequently and it's always a tad bit annoying to have to enable popups on all the sites I use for work, especially since there's not an easy way to do so without going into the settings. Sometimes things just wont work no matter what I try so I have to use Chrome. (mainly downloading agents from Ncentral which I do quite a lot.) Sigh.

Still. I love brave and it's BAT program and will continue using it.
 
I mostly use Chrome or Safari, depending on whether for work, and which OS I'm on:

- Desktop PC - Chrome
- Work MacBook - Chrome
- Personal MacBook - Safari
- Android Phone - Chrome


I've considered trying out Firefox again, and maybe some of the others.

@fireweed - I think syncing across different browsers and different contexts is just extremely annoying no matter how you do it.

I'd love if my bookmarks would sync across Chrome and Safari, but only way is with third party tools.
 

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